tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-839525549786745818.post2537478512728242315..comments2024-03-26T17:38:35.264+00:00Comments on Catherine Curzon: Marie Antoinette's Prayer BookCatherine Curzonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05763562687608837832noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-839525549786745818.post-19224531485698722962014-12-24T08:05:48.478+00:002014-12-24T08:05:48.478+00:00Those words give such a contrasting insight into t...Those words give such a contrasting insight into the woman represented so harshly otherwise.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445629159912795832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-839525549786745818.post-10471578935524381972014-12-24T03:13:19.882+00:002014-12-24T03:13:19.882+00:00There does seem to be a tendency to beatify Marie ...There does seem to be a tendency to beatify Marie Antoinette, doesn't there? She has entire blogs dedicated to her. I'm no fan of hers, but I also don't think I would have felt safe in Revolutionary France. There would have been too many people willing to dob you in for saying anything they didn't like. It was a police state, really.Sue Bursztynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09362273418897882971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-839525549786745818.post-69619843384673112202014-12-23T22:26:28.351+00:002014-12-23T22:26:28.351+00:00I should know better than to present a dissenting ...I should know better than to present a dissenting view where all can read it and pile on. I feel sometimes as if I am about to be run out of town on a rail! Not here, though, and thank you for that.<br /><br />Antoinette was very much like Alexandra--strong-willed and opinionated on certain issues, the most critical being their absolute determination to convince Louis XVI and Nicholas II never to give up a single iota of their absolutist power and privilege. Both women referred to their husbands' more liberally-minded advisors and ministers as the equivalent of scum and traitors, when both husbands seemed willing to give in a little to avoid losing everything. As you know, it didn't turn out well for either couple, and for that, look in large part to the wives' influence.<br /><br />Robespierre's major weakness or fault was his inability to understand idealism does not work in the real world, and because he so much wanted the "perfect Revolution" that would attain some Utopian benefits for all, he saw traitors to that ideal under the bed and behind every door. He's not a tragic figure to me, but I do think it's unfortunate in many ways that he was not more politically grounded.<br /><br />Queen of Snarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607432684112503980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-839525549786745818.post-27195458201083137102014-12-23T21:07:51.157+00:002014-12-23T21:07:51.157+00:00Thank you all got your most perceptive comments. A...Thank you all got your most perceptive comments. Any post about Marie Antoinette or Robespierre always excited such interesting and heartfelt debate, truly divisive figures!Catherine Curzonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05763562687608837832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-839525549786745818.post-66888200473137044232014-12-23T17:31:21.524+00:002014-12-23T17:31:21.524+00:00And I agree in part with Mark and in part with Mar...And I agree in part with Mark and in part with Margaret. I consider Maria Antoinette on of many unfortunate women who found themselves in a political marriage to a weak myopic man . And I am not a fan of Mantel. Robespierre is not a tragic figure any way I look at him. He was an opportunist whose ruthlessness came back on him. I shed no tears.Linda Fetterly Roothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679025414115279660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-839525549786745818.post-40786642691944599492014-12-23T13:03:20.159+00:002014-12-23T13:03:20.159+00:00Just as so many folks wring their hands and weep o...Just as so many folks wring their hands and weep over the fate of Antoinette and cloak her in saintly, gracious, and loving qualities she never possessed, even more vilify Robespierre in particular and others associated with the Terror. claiming they were evil incarnate and capable of every abomination known to man. Neither view is correct or the truth, because the truth is somewhere in the middle. I'm sorry to disagree, but I don't believe Mantel captures anything "perfectly," including Thomas Cromwell.Queen of Snarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607432684112503980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-839525549786745818.post-23248592897372117582014-12-23T09:34:18.386+00:002014-12-23T09:34:18.386+00:00I think Hilary Mantel captures him perfectly in &q...I think Hilary Mantel captures him perfectly in "A Place of Greater Safety" - he started out as an idealist, who actually campaigned against the death penalty, but slipped into the worst kind of moral corruption, almost without noticing, a man focussed entirely on the external world, either incapable of reflecting on his own actions, or unwilling to do so. Mark Pattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06621801968983662236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-839525549786745818.post-44128542653837497172014-12-23T02:47:55.620+00:002014-12-23T02:47:55.620+00:00Dreadful man! Ironic that he ended up dying the sa...Dreadful man! Ironic that he ended up dying the same way he had condemned others to die. Just imagine that souvenir lying around in his home all that fine! If he'd been around now, he would have sold it on eBay - or at Sotheby's. <br /><br />Or maybe just kept it secret...Sue Bursztynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09362273418897882971noreply@blogger.com